In discussion about evil and darkness, Gaines nudges Rogan closer to the light

In discussion about evil and darkness, Gaines nudges Rogan closer to the light

Joe Rogan

In discussion about evil and darkness, Gaines nudges Rogan closer to the light

In a live broadcast that mixed politics, culture, and faith, a young woman fighting for women-only sports used her faith to warn an audience of millions that a culture that moves away from God drifts away from what is righteous and what is true.

NCAA swimming champ Riley Gaines, the former University of Kentucky swimmer, recently shared her thoughts about men competing against women with skilled interviewer Joe Rogan and his top-rated “Joe Rogan Experience” program.

“You’ve been on a wild little journey, huh?” Rogan asked his guest when the two-hour-plus interview got under way. 

“A journey that I certainly never expected, never wanted,” Gaines replied. “And still don’t want.”

Farther into the interview, the topic moved from her fight in the pool and locker room to the culture at large. Gaines said the public is moving away from “objective truth” because of a breakdown in religious faith and a belief in God. That is why the transgender movement has been allowed to flourish, she said, despite being an objective lie about biology and sex. 

An hour and 10 minutes into the interview, Gaines (pictured at right) said the culture has gotten so degenerate that pedophilia is now being normalized and defended.

“And it’s always been morally reprehensible,” Rogan observed. “It’s something that we’ve always wanted to kill people for and now, all of a sudden, we’re saying it’s an identity.”

One way to destroy a country, Rogan added, is to introduce that sick topic into the educational system and make it seem “virtuous” to discuss it.  

Reacting to Rogan’s observation, Gaines pointed out the Bible warns that people can be so deceived they call evil good and good evil. She referenced the Old Testament warning, in the Book of Isaiah, about calling bitter sweet and sweet bitter. 

“It's undeniable,” Gaines said, “that that's what we're seeing now.”

Rogan sees 'love and truth' in religion

Rogan, who describes himself as agnostic, is skeptical of religious faith but is respectful to Christian believers. In a March 1 episode, Rogan was interviewing veteran NFL quarterback Aaron Rogers when the topic turned to the current culture and moral decay.

“As time rolls on, people are gonna understand the need to have some sort of divine structure to things,” Rogan observed. “Some sort of belief in the sanctity of love and of truth. And a lot of that comes from religion.”

Rogan went on to describe the view of many religious skeptics and humanists, who dismiss Christianity as fairy tales and superstitions. They believe mankind is inherently good, he said, with a “moral compass” that can be trusted.

“That’s not necessarily true,” he concluded with a laugh. “We need Jesus. I think for real.”  

A few weeks later, Gaines was seated across from Rogan in his studio and making similar observations about the culture. People in authority forced her and her teammates to undress with a male in their locker room, and to accept that wrong as right while speaking against it was called evil. 

“What is evil is deception. Manipulation is evil. Temptation is evil,” Gaines said. “Lying and affirming delusions, that's evil, and that's exactly how Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness. But now a lot of it is coming to light.”